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SheehanThomson
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I tell them "if I see an area that has moisture staining or a ceiling repair I will use it."

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Do you add the thermal images to your report or is it in a separate report?

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Kevin Moore wrote:When you say it's included do just use it on areas of concern or something specific?


Just areas of concern in that model generally.

I recommend the $1300 camera, whatever it is (i5, e4, s345634).

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Nathan wrote:
Kevin Moore wrote:When you say it's included do just use it on areas of concern or something specific?


Just areas of concern in that model generally.

I recommend the $1300 camera, whatever it is (i5, e4, s345634).


Would you just include it in your inspection pricing? Or charge a separate fee?

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Kevin Moore wrote:

Would you just include it in your inspection pricing? Or charge a separate fee?


Depends on the area as others have stated.

This is one of those things where the future is bright- at some point we may see $300 thermal imaging inspections as a regular occurrence, but as of right now it's not the case in most areas. If we're going to get there, there's a gradual approach:

1. Buy $1300 camera.
2. Take the basic course.
3. Use it in the course of the inspection to examine the electrical panel and follow up on any leaks (or suspected leaks).
4. Use in areas with lots of mechanicals behind walls/above ceilings.

This assumes an "included with inspection" approach, but we're really utilizing the device as a tool on site. The more times clients see it and think it is cool, the more times the tool saves everyone in the transaction money by pinpointing the leak (or confirming no further problems, the more the demand will rise.

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I add the images to the report in the appropriate section whether it be Interior - Ceilings, Interior - Walls, Interior - Insulation, Electrical - Breakers, etc.

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Nathan wrote:
Kevin Moore wrote:

Would you just include it in your inspection pricing? Or charge a separate fee?


Depends on the area as others have stated.

This is one of those things where the future is bright- at some point we may see $300 thermal imaging inspections as a regular occurrence, but as of right now it's not the case in most areas. If we're going to get there, there's a gradual approach:

1. Buy $1300 camera.
2. Take the basic course.
3. Use it in the course of the inspection to examine the electrical panel and follow up on any leaks (or suspected leaks).
4. Use in areas with lots of mechanicals behind walls/above ceilings.

This assumes an "included with inspection" approach, but we're really utilizing the device as a tool on site. The more times clients see it and think it is cool, the more times the tool saves everyone in the transaction money by pinpointing the leak (or confirming no further problems, the more the demand will rise.


I may give it a try. Want to do a little research in my area

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SheehanThomson wrote:And I would lose all of my customers who would have hired me if my price were $50 lower...

I don't mention IR unless someone asks; when they do I say "it's included" (limited) "or you can pay $129."

This works for me.

Ignore that pesky negative voice in your head.

If that is true, which I don't believe it would be, it is just as possible that some will hire you because you charge more. People are weird, they associate quality and value with high prices. I'm convinced that's why the rich eat fish eggs and drink coffee which came from cat poop.

Besides, I grabbed $50 out of thin air, make it $25 and you still end up with 2.5 times more than you would have had.

Here's a neat article I happened upon. Pricing is an interesting topic.

http://conversionxl.com/pricing-experiments-you-might-not-know-but-can-learn-from/#.

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Is there a course that is designed mainly for home inspectors? I have heard that the level 1 has a lot that is not pertinent to home inspections.

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jtroth wrote:Is there a course that is designed mainly for home inspectors? I have heard that the level 1 has a lot that is not pertinent to home inspections.


Infraspection Institute offers one (16 hrs, $995.) Never made it to this course. I took Level 1 w/ them. As a school they are ok.
United Infrared used to offer one; perhaps still do, I just don't see it on their website. Peter did give a 4 hr class at Vegas once.
InterNachi has that 16 hr webinar each month; not that great, maybe it's better now - doubt it.
Here in Tx, the ASHI group has developed a Certified Residential Thermographer course, 16hrs. Monroe Infrared taught it, but he wasn't a HI, so not so great; maybe it's better now as he probably understands HI more.
Here locally, the HI school gave an 8hr class ($200,) recently for the first time - pretty good! Just the essentials!

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This is one of the many reasons why we upgraded our services with the addition of thermography. After googling to find out how to work the thermostat for it (who else does that?), I started the system, kept inspecting for 20-25 minutes, came back and took some pictures. The E5 was a good starting point for us, we are more through and can inspect just that much better for our clients.
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Radiant ceiling heat in a condo, had it floored the entire inspection and it did not do a good job at all.
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I have had a run of radiant heat over the last week. This was from yesterday's inspection.
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scotbaker wrote:Radiant ceiling heat in a condo, had it floored the entire inspection and it did not do a good job at all.

Is that electric or hot water in the ceiling? It's interesting that you can't see any pipes or wires. Don't get to see those very often around here.

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jtroth wrote:Is there a course that is designed mainly for home inspectors? I have heard that the level 1 has a lot that is not pertinent to home inspections.

There are a lot of applications covered which are outside what a home inspector would do in a residential setting. Personally, I enjoyed that just as much as the rest because it opened my eyes to other ways you could use infrared in a residential setting rather than just plumbing leaks, air infiltration and electrical hotspots. The flat roof nighttime inspections are actually fun to perform, especially when the police show up.

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