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Nathan
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This company:

https://homeguard.com

Has attempted to introduce the legislation attached in California, which would make it unlawful for a home inspector to perform roof inspections.

CREIA is already aware and making some moves, hopefully InterNACHI will do something as well (I will be passing this on to Nick). Call your State representative too.

Here are a few other things you should be doing in your business to keep this stuff from happening and this goes for any inspector in any state:

1. Stop feeding the fire. Home Inspectors are great at inspecting roofs. Groups like NRCIA and others that want to sell you on some special certification to look at roofs only serve to create optics that aren't good for the industry.

2. Diversify. Join TOP or add our warranty offer to your inspection business. It adds revenue to your business while at the same time reducing revenue for groups like HomeGuard.

3. Get involved in your association and volunteer for leadership. All too often those that get involved in leadership roles don't have an active inspection business and focus on keeping the minimum standards in place. Associations need strong leadership that understands changes in the industry and strives for success amongst the membership. If you're reading this, you may just be that future leader.


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I agree with #'s 1 and 2 personally and I think all 3 are good for the majority of Inspectors (at least the ones at the top of their game).

See that's the P. Nathan Thornberry that I respect, because you have roots in the Inspection business and you care in your own way. I think any and all states (California, Virginia, Florida, etc.) should refrain from dictating how an inspection is to be performed.

My Meds haven't fully kicked in yet but respectfully I think this is one of your best posts in a long while (maybe even as far back as July or August of 2016). Keep up the good work Nathan.

Uh-Oh, I'm feeling a buzz that quick. I respect Nick to no end and you know that but I'm laughing about where you said you was going to tell Nick. I can't stop laughing. I don't know if it's me imaging Nick pulling up in California with blue lights flashing and him twirling a police baton, flashing his badge or is it because I'm imagining a younger Nathan tattling on the other boys.

I'm trying to behave and be respectful on your forum, I really am. This issue is serious and I'm glad that you're addressing it head on. Honestly I think you and Nick take on way too much. You both are good men with big hearts and even bigger pockets but sometimes you both forget about the little people in life. Oh well .... 1 deletes me from everything but 1 of my favorite forums and the other just doesn't talk to me anymore. No worries, I'm cool with that and when 1 door closes another 1 opens up.

I'm pretty busy Nathan but just in case I don't post for a while: Happy Easter. Safe travels and stay safe. As bad as I hate to take your advice, I'm considering taking Pete off of the top of my Facebook. Fooled You, April Fool's. No such luck. Pete and I didn't always agree on everything and you know that. He would crawl my *$$ and then some but we always made things right with each other. I know you was mad that day, because you were suffering from halt:
• Hunger
• Anger
• Loneliness
• Tired

You and I are from 2 different walks of life and we were in my opinion friends. I guess since I'm still posting on your forum, you probably had time to calm down and think before you erased me here, as well. My Meds are in full effect so I'm jumping off of here now.
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You're fine Michael and yes this is an important issue. It's so easy to legislate against inspectors and where are all these "lobbyist" being paid for by membership dues? Why do Nathan Thornberry and Nick Gromicko have to carry the torch AGAIN. It's getting damn ridiculous.

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Actually CREIA has a lobbyist on this matter.

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Michael Altizer
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Do it and carry that torch burning bright. I'm proud of you. I agree with you and yes the roof does need to be inspected. The structure, covering, flashing, chimney, attic, etc. all need a trained eye to carefully evaluate and inform their clients. Sorry, Nathan I've gotta go ..... Autumn is playing a racing game and I need to put her to bed, it's not a school night but it's her bedtime. I do respect you, Nathan.
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A lot of CA agents tell me their current inspectors don't inspect the roof. They are usually surprised that we do, which I always found odd. I point this out only as empirical observation that their expectations by and large are even lower than the minimum in some areas while downright unreasonable in others. This is an education issue more than anything. Agents don't know or don't care to know all they should about the home inspection and it's up to us to systematically share our knowledge both of the home and of the industry.

Not trying to minimize the all out war that needs waging in Sacramento. Wish I could help there, but all my contacts are in DC.

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Mike Casey wrote:Actually CREIA has a lobbyist on this matter.


That's excellent and I am glad to hear it!

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Ryan Howell,

Don't believe everything you hear. I don't believe that first statement / sentence to be true, in any shape, form or way. I'm heavily medicated today because I took my morning medicine twice on accident and I could easily mouth off about people trying to give home inspectors a bad reputation. However, I'm trying to respect Mr. Thornberry, the rest of you all and his forum. I literally have 100's of friends that are Inspectors throughout the state of California and each and everyone of them inspect all items accessible under 1 of the SOP's. I am boiling hot mad right now because of uneducated trouble makers attacking our industry. Not every Inspector will walk every roof and I am one of those Inspectors. That doesn't mean that the roof doesn't get inspected, it just means I didn't traverse it and the reason stated in my report. Some Inspectors are using drones and some others choose to use a camera pole and or binoculars, etc. Inspectors who claim that they walk every roof, just haven't had a bad experience catch up with them or they are trying to be show off Heroes. I'll tell you another thing and I've stated it many times over the years: I will believe a home inspector any day over any agent, lawyer,vendor, etc. No disrespect to you, Nathan or any Inspectors but I'm disgusted to no end with numerous issues affecting our industry.
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Michael Altizer wrote:Ryan Howell,

Don't believe everything you hear. I don't believe that first statement / sentence to be true, in any shape, form or way. I'm heavily medicated today because I took my morning medicine twice on accident and I could easily mouth off about people trying to give home inspectors a bad reputation. However, I'm trying to respect Mr. Thornberry, the rest of you all and his forum. I literally have 100's of friends that are Inspectors throughout the state of California and each and everyone of them inspect all items accessible under 1 of the SOP's. I am boiling hot mad right now because of uneducated trouble makers attacking our industry. Not every Inspector will walk every roof and I am one of those Inspectors. That doesn't mean that the roof doesn't get inspected, it just means I didn't traverse it and the reason stated in my report. Some Inspectors are using drones and some others choose to use a camera pole and or binoculars, etc. Inspectors who claim that they walk every roof, just haven't had a bad experience catch up with them or they are trying to be show off Heroes. I'll tell you another thing and I've stated it many times over the years: I will believe a home inspector any day over any agent, lawyer,vendor, etc. No disrespect to you, Nathan or any Inspectors but I'm disgusted to no end with numerous issues affecting our industry.


No offense taken. Only sharing my experience and I appreciate everyone's view on this issue.

I'd only suggest that anger (which can be a very useful emotion) on any interested party's behalf ought to be carefully directed into action in the form of written testimony or petition to appropriate state and national governing bodies in addition to educating agents. Standards are a minimum and recently developed technology will only make inspecting roofs, among many other exterior features easier for inspectors to perform while also more perfectly illustrating what we're talking about.

In summary, I completely agree with you.

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I think some are missing the point. the inspection firm behind this bill has a roofing contractor license. They are attempting to say you must have a roofing license to inspect a roof. their home inspectors will inspect roofs under their roofing license. it's just an attempt to beat their home inspection competition who do not have a roofing license. It should be easy to defeat and as Nick and Nathan have said, "it only takes $10k to introduce a bill".

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William Chandler wrote:I think some are missing the point. the inspection firm behind this bill has a roofing contractor license. They are attempting to say you must have a roofing license to inspect a roof. their home inspectors will inspect roofs under their roofing license. it's just an attempt to beat their home inspection competition who do not have a roofing license. It should be easy to defeat and as Nick and Nathan have said, "it only takes $10k to introduce a bill".


Precisely.

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Nathan wrote:
William Chandler wrote:I think some are missing the point. the inspection firm behind this bill has a roofing contractor license. They are attempting to say you must have a roofing license to inspect a roof. their home inspectors will inspect roofs under their roofing license. it's just an attempt to beat their home inspection competition who do not have a roofing license. It should be easy to defeat and as Nick and Nathan have said, "it only takes $10k to introduce a bill".


Precisely.


I'm still a lowlife Godzilla - you said I was made a General. I told everyone, my wife, my friends/family, my clients and now I am looking like a bald faced liar or one of Trumps cabinet chairs; at least they got to have the title for a week or so. Maybe you're just too busy for us Godzillas.

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William Chandler wrote:
Nathan wrote:
William Chandler wrote:I think some are missing the point. the inspection firm behind this bill has a roofing contractor license. They are attempting to say you must have a roofing license to inspect a roof. their home inspectors will inspect roofs under their roofing license. it's just an attempt to beat their home inspection competition who do not have a roofing license. It should be easy to defeat and as Nick and Nathan have said, "it only takes $10k to introduce a bill".


Precisely.


I'm still a lowlife Godzilla - you said I was made a General. I told everyone, my wife, my friends/family, my clients and now I am looking like a bald faced liar or one of Trumps cabinet chairs; at least they got to have the title for a week or so. Maybe you're just too busy for us Godzillas.


Fixed!

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